our 10th meeting between the secretary of defense and veterans affairs in something like the last 20-22 months, is because we established that there is a relationship between our two departments that may not exist, and as i indicated what we work on here originates here, and therefore, this collaboration is important so if leon is dealing with issues of sequesteration, i'm concerned as well because of the likely impact that would have on veterans as they transition out of dod, even though the va piece of this has been exempted. >> harder for the generation to get out, transition into the va, to get out of the military part of the situation? >> well, that's the reason we are meeting to ensure the transition, and we anticipated requirements, and think the next several years there's a significant number of people leaving. our meetings are all about focusing on making sure that those transitions are seemless, as seemless as we can make it, and in time, truly seamless so an individual who is raising their right hand, taking the oath of allegiance swearing into the military today, when they c